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aka Dr Charlotte Charlatan

Wednesday, June 28, 2006

Singapore's overburdened primary health care system

I read this over at channelnewsasia

Why those long polyclinic lines pose a health threat


Think queuing up for a copy of this newspaper is a drag? Try joining a similar queue when you're sick — outside a polyclinic.

The wait could stretch for hours, and might go some way towards explaining exactly why the frazzled staff at Clementi Polyclinic ended up giving the wrong dosage of heart medicine to an 88-year-old woman, who eventually died.

While recording an open verdict on the case, the State Coroner on Tuesday heard testimonies from pharmacy staff who spoke of the daily crush they faced.

Even when a doctor changed a prescription, they could not afford to wait for the amended slip to reach them. Instead, they issued the medicine first — the amended slip could take up to two hours to reach them.

"Of course we'd prefer to wait," said Mr Ja'al Maaruf. "But we can't force the doctor (to hurry up) and we serve hundreds of patients."

Even though the possibility of a mistake in such situations cannot be ruled out, the staff have no choice as patients clamour to be served. The culprit, it appears, is the sheer load the polyclinics face.

Officially, they open at 8am.

"The queue starts before the clinic opens for registration," a former polyclinic doctor told Today. "It's like queueing for National Day Parade tickets at some polyclinics — people leave their slippers or belongings to 'chope' (reserve) the spot, go for the coffee, get a newspaper and then return nearer to opening time.

"It's not just in the morning. When we close for lunch, we see people queueing for the afternoon session."

Patients who arrive later are often subjected to long queues and the wait can be as long as four hours.

Official figures from SingHealth Polyclinics show that bigger polyclinics see about 930 patients a day with 15 doctors serving them; this works out to 62 patients per doctor a day. At smaller SingHealth polyclinics, it's about 56 patients per doctor a day. At the National Healthcare Group (NHG), this number is 60.

The numbers are higher than the average of 40 a day at a busy private GP practice.

During peak seasons, some doctors said they could see up to 100 patients a day — all within seven-and-a-half hours.

The pharmacy staff were equally hard-pressed. Serving more than 900 patients each day at the bigger SingHealth polyclinics are 10 to 12 pharmacy employees.

They are supposed to be the second line of defence in checking a doctor's prescription. But sometimes, sheer numbers can overwhelm them. Communication lines can get crossed.

In the case of Madam Koh Ah Tow whose case was heard by the coroner, the doctor said she had changed the dosage after a call from the pharmacy. However, two pharmacy technicians who packed and issued the medicine denied receiving the instruction. Madam Koh died 10 weeks later.

At SingHealth Polyclinics, some two to three amendments are made per day at each polyclinic. At the NHG, there are two to four a day at each polyclinic.

In an email reply to Today, SingHealth said that alterations are documented in the prescription and endorsed by the doctor. They are also recorded in the patient's case notes.

Over at NHG, doctors now need to make amendments in black and white and not just over the phone. But as patients refuse to wait for the amendments to arrive in writing, it is possible for the wrong dosage of medicine to be dispensed.

"We are humans and there is a limit to how much you can do with just one hand, one mouth and one pair of hands," said the former Polyclinic doctor.

"But you just can't turn patients away if they are there to see you."

62 patients a day per doctor in 7.5 hours. That works out to about 7.5 minutes per patient.

Well for any doctor out there, this sort of news is not new. We've been seeing that number of patients for years. In fact things have gotten better in recent years. It used to be much worse in the past.

Interestingly I knew of some Army camp Medical Officers who had to see 100 patients in 5 hours from Mondays to Fridays!

Frankly speaking there is a problem in the way MOH utilizes our medical manpower resources.

There is a relative shortage of doctors in the polyclinics if you consider the sheer number of patients they have to see a day. They are overworked quite simply put. Patients also are not satisfied with the level of care from the overworked doctor. The doctors of course don't like being overworked. So they leave. What MOH has done to overcome this exodus of doctors to the private sector as well as overseas is to bring in foreign doctors from the Philipines, Nepal, Pakistan and India.

Singaporean doctors prefer not to work in the polyclinics because it is clearly not safe being asked to see that many patients everyday. Most GPs who leave the polyclinics for the private GP market are not leaving for more money. In fact most would probably make about the same if not slightly more but have much better working conditions.

It just makes things more sensible. Having enough time to see patients, talk to them, counsel them etc. It takes even more time if the doctor cannot speak the same language as the patient (as in the case of Dr Diana Santos and a 88 year old dialect speaking chinese lady). Frankly which doctor wants to work like that?

Lately many private GP clinics have been experiencing hard times. Patients are not willing to see them because the price of seeing a doctor is too expensive for them. But is it really that expensive? I know many clinics charge $10 for consultation. Total bill usually comes to about $20-$30 with generic drugs.

I wonder what the cost of seeing a patient at the polyclinic is to MOH? I would suspect that it would not be much further from $20-$30.

MOH offers susbidies for patients visitng the polyclinic. Patients pay $4 for consultation vs $10 in the private GP clinics. There are also subsidies for medicines partly because the health groups bulk buy.

Perhaps what MOH can do is the following :

1) Work out and be transparent what the subsidy is like per patient with common conditions visiting the polyclinics. Eg Colds, Diarrhea, Sprains etc.

2) Offer the same subsidies for patients with these common conditions visiting private GP clinics. While there will be clinics that charge differently, the patients can "claim" back the subsidy from MOH (or get the clinics to claim from MOH). This can be offset from the clinic bill and the patient pays the balance (if any)

What this would do is allow patients the option of going to the private GP clinics and enjoying the subsidies from MOH. After all the subsidies are meant for sick citizens. Why should it be restricted only to the polyclinics? This would better utilize doctors who are in the private sector and lessen the load at the polyclinics.

In Australia, a similar system is in place. There are clinics which are called "bulk billing" clinics where patients see the doctor and essentially don't have to pay anything, because the clinic would bill the government. There are other clinics where the patients have to pay and extra seperate private charge while the clinic still bills the government the standard fee.

Right now in Singapore we are seeing polyclinics filled beyond their capacity, foreign doctors being roped in to work under insane conditions, medical errors being committed as a result , patients dying as a result of the medical errors, a distinct sense of unhappiness among the people, patients and medical community.

All this for what? To save money?

Perhaps MOH's philosophy is to make the polyclinics as inconvenient and as uncomfortable as possible such that only the very needy and desperate will go there for the subsidized treatment.

Is that the way to go?

27 Comments:

At 1:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Oz

Where to find a pte gp who charges $20-30? I always pay abt $35/- or more for common cold or flu with 3 types of medicine as compared to paying $10/- plus at the polyclinic.

Waiting time is longer though but sometimes at pte gp the wait could stretch to an hr plus too.

Besides, at the polyclinic I have not really seen any very unreasonable patients demanding to be served, most of them would normally sit and wait for their no. to be flashed in all depts.

What I don't understand is why do nurses take up the doc's precious time to have a meeting with him during consultation hrs whereby there are lots of patients waiting outside.

This could take up abt 30mins or more and any staff can walk into the doc's room as and when they like thus distracting both doc and patient.

$4/- consultation fee is only for students and senior citizens, the rest pays $8/- but recently read in the papers some polyclinics are charging $8.70 now.

 
At 7:40 AM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

Dear Anon,

Think about it. $35 is what you say you normaly pay at the private GP.

How much is the government's subisdy for patients at Polyclinics?

$10? $15? $20?

You say you pay $10 at the polyclinic. So what is the subsidy? $5? $10? $20?

If it's $5, man that's not very much "subsidy" isn't it?

If it's $20, then you would be paying $15 at the private GP after subsidy which is more but at least you don't have to wait 2 hours or queue long before the polyclinic opens and you get to see the same doctor all the time and you can be assured that there are less communication problems between the doctor and the person who dispenses the medicine and private GPs don't go having meetings for 30 minutes to keep patients waiting.

In essense unless the subsidy is only $5-10 at the polyclinics, then my idea is not worth taking up. But if the subsidy is $20, then we have a case. Don't you agree?

Oh and there ARE clinics that charge $20-$30 for common cold and flu with 3 types of medicine.

 
At 8:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon,

the pte gp (m.med family med somemore) i visit works within the $20-30 range. usually $25 inclusive of 3 types of generic medicine.

i agree with dr oz on the subsidy part. if the so-called "subsidy" is "immaterial", it might not be worth taking it up.

using my regular pte gp as an example. the difference between his charges and that of a polyclinic is $15 ($25-$10). for the additional $15, i have the convenience of being able to walk from my little piegon hole to his clinic, be seen within 30 mins then walk back. total time 40 mins maximum.

to get to polyclinic i need to take a 30 mins bus ride, wait at least 2 hours for consulation and after that take another 30 mins ride home. total time 3 hours minimum.

after deducting bus fare say $2, the "subsidy" is only $13. but i wasted 2h20m. when you are sick (not chao keng), you would rather rest 2h20m than save the $13. besides, if you are really really sick and have to take a cab to the polyclinic, whatever "subsidy" would have been wiped clean by comfort (who incidentally are raising fares).

PLUS my pte gp does a very thorough examination, refers to case file to review medical history, explain the course of treatment and the result he hopes to achieve. guess the polyclinic gp can't do so much within 7-8 mins. :p

PLUS PLUS he doesn't charge consultation fee the 2nd round if the 1st round of treatment does not work.

PLUS PLUS PLUS he is a lot more patient and friendly compared to the overworked polyclinic gps.


dr oz,

if my failing memory serves me correctly, "bulk billing" only covers consultation. prescription is out of pocket for the patients. but most people in aus have health care insurance so they'll just submit a claim. pretty reasonable premium too. say a$70/month that covers pte gp, specialist (if refered by gp), hospitalisation, dental and maybe eyeware (limited to 1 new pair of specs/yr). considering minimum wage is around a$15/hr, its only 4.67hrs work for a month of medical cover. :)

 
At 9:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Oz and anon

Lucky for you to have such good a GP and I must say his charges are very reasonable and he doesn't charge the second time round, wow, where is your GP? Been looking for such doc but no luck so far.

At the polyclinic what I pay is $10/- plus and not $10/-, to be exact say abt $14/- so if based on your case $25-$14 = $11 then I agree with you it's better to see your GP.

Polyclinic buys their medicine in bulk and they are really very cheap and as for subsidy on medicine or consult and how much - till now I wonder ???

 
At 6:39 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

Yes for Australia bulk billing clinics they only bulk bill the consultation fees. Medicine is another issue. Face it. Health care COST in Australia is much much higher than Singapore. I am talking cost here.

In Singapore it is actually dirt cheap! But then Singaporeans don't appreciate that.

MOH should be transparent and tell us what the subsidy is like for each patient visiting the Polyclinic for common conditions. What's there to hide?

When we get that figure then we will have a better picture of things and then we can make better suggestions.

For eg

if the subsidy is in the $5- <$10 range, then it is very little. Which also means that the cost of health care to MOH per patient is very low. What gives? Cheap medicine? If so then why not think of strategies to help private GPs bulk buy also to reduce the cost of medicines? At present moment MOH does not allow GPs to form informal arrangements to bulk buy. Eg I cannot have a deal with 10 GP friends and buy medicine in bulk without all 10 of us forming a formal company of some sort. Why? To protect the pharmaceutical industry?

Cheap doctors? Now that explains all these foreign doctors at the polyclinic then? In essence what you have then is that the Polyclinics are running at a lower cost than GP clinics.

If the Subsidy is in the range of >$10-$20, then I say we should extend the subsidy to patients visiting private clinics. Because in the end the running cost of the polyclinic is the same as GP clinics.

Come on MOH. Tell us the truth.

 
At 8:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Oz

Totally agree with you but I doubt very much you or anyone will get the answer.

The same goes for HBD's subsidy.

If only the govt allows GPs to buy in bulk and thus reducing medicine cost then it would be good news and
more patients will be able to afford to see a Pte GP.

And extending subsidy to patients in pte clinics - will we see that day?

What's the big deal about not being able to request for docs? Why make life so difficult for patients?

 
At 8:30 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

"What's the big deal about not being able to request for docs? Why make life so difficult for patients?"

To save money? I dunno but as far as healthcare is concerned it is viewed as a waste of resources. That's what my professor used to tell me.

Govt would spend billions on finance, economic growth areas but on health care less is better.

 
At 10:53 PM, Blogger palmist said...

The problem is the old don't think like that. $1 is very big to them. There are people complaining about a few cents difference. Can you believe it. But I am not that poor to haggle for that few cents and cannot comprehend that mentality but it exist.

Your suggestion of bulk billing is definitely good. It reduces unfair competition and give the GP better business. The polyclinics are really killing the GP business.

I think when you just look at the consultation charges it does not give the an accurate picture. The medication especially the price for tender medications is a world of difference. Check out the insulin charges. Man I don't know how to justify. Even with bulk purchase you are not able to get a competitive price to sell it. I am definitely in favor of a centralise subsidy where the prices goes across the board instead of favouring the polyclinics.

 
At 11:38 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

Yeah there are lots of these bargain few cents type of people around in Singapore. Makes me wonder whether Singapore is really a first world country or not.

Anyway what to do? Now we know why Progress Package was so successful.

In the end I am no politician. I also dun think the people in Singapore will change. It's just our culture.

Have to learn to live with it and accept it whether I like it or not.

Shove it down my throat basically.

 
At 6:51 AM, Blogger pretzel said...

I think generally, the profile of the pple who go to the polyclinics vs those who go to the pte clinics are slightly different.
Those pple who have their employers providing medical benefits don't care how much the Dr charges, as long as they can claim from the company. Those who go to polyclinics are usu those who don't have such luxury...

Qn:
Does the Govt have a 'quota' on the # of Drs serving in the polyclinics?

 
At 7:32 AM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

"Those pple who have their employers providing medical benefits don't care how much the Dr charges, as long as they can claim from the company. Those who go to polyclinics are usu those who don't have such luxury..."

Actually there's no such thing. Because the company CARES about what they claim! Trust me there is no such thing as "oh I can claim from my company so fire away!"

No such thing sir/madam.

The companies will ask "what is item A, what is item B etc etc etc"

There is not quota for doctors in polyclinics. People want to go they choose. If nobody wants to go and everyone leaves....well that's why they have to hire foreign docs from Philipines, Nepal and Pakistan etc

 
At 8:43 PM, Blogger pretzel said...

If No Quota, then Why no one wants to work in polyclinics? Easy life,rite? 9-5pm, no need to work OT, no need to work ungodly shift hours, no need to be on-call all the time, no need to worry about operatng costs since fixed salary. Can spend quality work-life balance... sounds like cosy life to me...

 
At 9:54 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

"If No Quota, then Why no one wants to work in polyclinics? Easy life,rite? 9-5pm, no need to work OT, no need to work ungodly shift hours, no need to be on-call all the time, no need to worry about operatng costs since fixed salary. Can spend quality work-life balance... sounds like cosy life to me..."

A few years back they had night polyclinics. I am not sure if there still are such night polyclinics. And if I am not wrong, polyclinics open on Sat mornings also.

But having said that, the hours are probably more like 830am-6pm, not 9-5pm. Not too bad.

The main reason why doctors in Singapore do not want to work at the polyclinic is twofold:

1) Singaporeans generally look down on GP and Family physicians. They are considered a dime a dozen, expendable to say the least. Useless lousy and irrelevant in Singapore societ. This is mainly because Singapore is small and well connected, hence seeing a specialist is not difficult,finding a GP is effortless.

2) The sheer volume of patients a doctor has to see at the polyclinics everyday is overwhelming! Doctors are human and they will get tired too seeing so many. Sometimes there can be so many that it is impossible to spend the required amount of time with each patient. Inevitably the doctor would have to rush a bit or else they would most likely go home at 10pm after registering the last patients who came at 4.59pm And then of course by rushing, the chance of committing medical errors is higher. Who wants to practice in situations where you put yourself at a very high risk of committing medical negligience? If not for the government's hand in all this I am quite certain MPS would tell polyclinic doctors that they would have to pay a higher premium for malpractice protection. The way they practice is high risk.

 
At 11:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now there are no more night polyclinics, if I remember correctly the govt withdrew that 1 or 2yrs ago.

The night pc are only at selected ones and certain areas and there are only a few of them.

 
At 11:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and they closes at 4.30pm.

 
At 6:36 AM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

Well then life is not bad at the polyclinics!

Recently there was a spate of resignations by local doctors at Geyland Polyclinic. Anyone got further details on that?

Overheard some people saying that they have too many foreign doctors at the polyclinics. Even local doctors/registrars are not happy having so many of them

 
At 8:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The answer is simple yet difficult to implement.

Mean testing
Allow those who can't afford it to visit polyclinic.
Those who can afford just pay more or visit private GP.

This way private GP has business and polyclinic become less packed.

Win Win situation
Problem is can the people swallow this poison bill.

Can the middle income stop fighting with the poor for subsidy.
Will they use the excuse as they pay more income tax they should enjoy the same subsidy again.

How many poor must die b4 the middle income can wake up their idea and realise that polyclinics should be for those who can't afford rather than entitlement for them.

 
At 8:28 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

Gary,

When you make that suggestion, you are implying that the majority of the people going to polyclinic are not poor and don't deserve the subsidy.

Does that reflect the reality on the ground?

Of course MOH could always draw the guidelines such that it is diffuclt to qualify as a "poor" person. Where do you draw the line? What is poor in Singapore?

Controversial points.

I would much prefer to give the people their entitlement for subsidy as a flat rate for everyone rather than to go through the tedious imperfect process of judging who is deserving and who is not.

 
At 6:37 AM, Blogger pretzel said...

It's pretty worrying when you read the thots/perspective of people who will be running the healthcare operations like that... *shudderz*

 
At 7:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

now a days it's not only seeing patients, there are other areas such as certification, committees, workgroups etc..

 
At 8:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without any study on those who go polyclinic, it is difficult to comment on whether majority are poor or not.

One study was done by MOH showing the need for mean testing.
Those interested I shall post the link.

Assuming the study is not flawed, we can try to extrapolate that study to people going polyclinic.

If those going to polyclinic truly need help then why are they afraid of mean testing????
Should not those who are abusing the system be afraid of mean testing?

Are u afraid of mean testing???

http://www.moh.gov.sg/cmaweb/attachments/publication/3352285b0cKv/Subsidies_For_Acute_Healthcare_Services.pdf

 
At 8:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In singapore there is no such thing as entitlement.

If the people all ask what the govt can do for them, the govt is finished.

Nobody owes u a living.

If u are poor, we educate u or yr children. U or yr children will have to work harder than others to survive in Singapore.

If u are middle income, u pay taxes so that the poor can survive.

If u are rich, then we hope u stay and create jobs for the poor and middle income.

Sounds unfair?
But very logical.

 
At 9:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like yr solution but the reality is that this will make polyclinic redundant.

Why go polyclinic when u can visit Gp and claim subsidy back?

 
At 7:09 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

"I like yr solution but the reality is that this will make polyclinic redundant.

Why go polyclinic when u can visit Gp and claim subsidy back?"

Well all the more why we should adopt this plan and close down the actually redundant Polyclinics!

Nobody is happy at polyclinics! Patients aren't happy. Doctors aren't happy. Pharmacists aren't happy. Nurses aren't happy.

Hell even the hospital administrators and future administrators aren't happy with the polyclinics!

 
At 11:55 PM, Blogger Dr Oz bloke said...

Hi Gary,

sorry the link you have got cut off.

Anyway going by that study, how many people should the polyclinics be expecting to see then?

Would it make the polyclinics underutilized then if MOH had it's way with means testing?

For the matter Mr Khaw has shelved the plans for means testing as there was a high risk of political fallout if that was put in place.

Why not just close the darn polyclinics, do means testing and give those "deserving" a card that says to the effect "I am poor, please help" and the GP will see them and charge minimal rates which the govt will subsidies for.

Why have polyclinics at all? We already have a GIGANTIC network of GPs all over Singapore.

Saves MOH all that cost in infrastructure, manpower, hiring foreigners to make up shortfalls, etc etc etc etc

 
At 7:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.moh.gov.sg/cmaweb/attachments/publication/3352285b0cKv/Subsidies_For_Acute_Healthcare_Services.pdf

Well closing down polyclinic is a radical solution.
Anyway, another article suggests polyclinic is not as cheap. will post article when i find it

 
At 10:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wondering, if the doc did realised her mistake in the prescription, why can't she just take a short walk to the pharmacy and have it corrected there and then or if the pharmacists realised a mistake, I believe they would call the doc concerned to enquire further.

The pharmacist or anyone or the patient could take the prescription to the doc's room for amendement - I don't think we need 2 hours to do that - this is Singapore.

It's people's life at stake here.

I have seen and experienced this happening in the polyclinic.

 

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