PR NS dodgers get free return subsequently
Read this over at a forum.
(From the Straits Times: "How will Singapore treat permanent residents (PRs) liable for NS who renounce their PR status and then want to return later?"
Each year, we recognise that some PRs may decide not to do NS and renounce their PR.
But each year, a substantial number of PRs answer the call and do serve NS. If we freely allow the return of those who have chosen not to do NS, we would also be unfair to those PRs who have answered the call of duty when they were asked to do so.
But they are freely allowing these c***s to freely return and take up residency and even citizenship.
They are doing nothing about this. This loophole is being used to the fullest.
I know almost 3 PR's who went to school here, enjoyed life here for 14 years and then siam NS.
Went overseas, studied and came back on Employment pass and then PR and citizenship.)
And another person posted this :
"hi i am one of these PRs, i came to singapore at 2 as PR, at 17 i renouce my PR and went abroad to study.after that i came back at 21 got a employment pass for 5 years, than i apply for PR again. i was accepted and did not have to do NS because the law says that if i work for 5 years in singapore under a employement pass, my NS requirement are relinquished.so clearly NS are for dum stinkees and not us superior FTs.what a wonderful country.i think i am the only guy in school who did not go NS.
thank you PAP.PR is better than citizenship.over my dead body will i be a citizen."
I think it goes to show the true problem with regard to NS. NS confers no benefit or advantage to the individual. As such nobody wants to serve. The PRs who do have an option clearly would choose not to serve AND they get away with it. AND they can return later and be CITIZENS!
I've asked this question before. Can I be Singapore PR instead of a citizen? The answer was never given but I was warned that I will have no passport and thus cannot travel internationally.
The NS issue goes much much deeper than we all realize.
posted by Dr Oz bloke @ 5:57 PM
23 Comments:
Aiyah,
Why you so worked up about this PR and NS issue?
My sons though elibible for the idea that you just posted did their NS with PRIDE and HONOUR and it made MEN out of wimps.
Have the right attitude lah. Don't think those who "siam" are better off.
Like I said, the one and only one big regret of my life is not being able to bear arms for my country. I missed the boat by only a few years. What Luck! I only had the chance to carry a little pea shooter which I didn't had the opportunity to use either.
If I were the ICA, I would tell you to take the first flight out when you wanted to downgrade from citizenship to PR. We don't want rude and disloyal citizens that's for sure.
But we want foreigners who have no love for Singapore and do not have to serve NS to come and be "citizens".
How ironic.
To be frank, it's easy to be caught up with the elite. When I was in OCS it was all good. We had great pride. We trained hard and we felt proud to serve.
I was commissioned as an officer with great pride frankly.
But subsequently I was told many times to go against the principles I believed in for various reasons. I was perhaps exposed to these situations more so because I dealt with the general public and majority of able bodied men entering NS.
And that changed my perception of the SAF. If you bend over backwards all the time and yet appear to stand straight and proud when the cameras are on. What does that make you?
Like I said, we are all shaped by our personal experiences.
And lastly, it's fine if the problem is a small minority of disloyalists and "siamers".
But it isn't a small minority. It's a substantial number and it's growing and there does not appear to be any action taken to stem this growth. In fact I would dare say it is being encouraged unwittingly because the system is such that the lower ranked officers would always hide problems from their superiors. Everything should always look good. Every problem should be handled or swept under the carpet or else it makes the officer look bad. So the top hardly know of this problem. It's all so that they can look good and get promoted, so the boss better dunno about any problem.
And thus the way these disloyalists are dealt with is very cordial to say the least.
Walio,
I don't mean to be rude but can we talk about less sensitive and contentious stuff. I am not interested to discuss politics and matters of national security.
How about giving us some insights into your exploits as a hot blooded young handsome bloke in JC conning the chicks. Which JCs have the most chioboos huh? I understand its catholic Junior college because of the feed from the convents. True or not huh?
I thought you don't like people who blog about such stuff?
if you want to read that sort of thing can go http://xiaxue.blogspot.com/
Walio,
The voluminuous shit she writes can be summarized in a four letter word with an additional one "wit" co-joined.
C'mon you are less intelligent than I give you credit for?
Just the rant on what she ate and posting of the photos of hideous clowns masquerading as "hunks" on her blog just makes me want to puke.
Between your blog and hers, I'll rather suffer your diatribes and harangueing anytime. Hee Hee!
Wah you mean you ACTUALLY went and looked at her blog?!!!!!
Did you actually READ anything?
Man I was just joking lah, didn't ask you to ACTUALLY go and visit her blog!
"C'mon you are less intelligent than I give you credit for?"
Walio,
She looks horsy enough. I don't mind to mount her though. ;)
Aiyah, when you are bored waiting for your trade to take profit, you have to read somethin' lah.
Enough nonsense about that snowwhite.
Hey doc, just read this:
"The US supreme court yesterday upheld the right of doctors in Oregon to help terminally ill patients commit suicide, in a ruling that marked a serious defeat for the Bush administration."
What is your take on this topic?
Good business opportunity!
I can then apply to be a "euthanasia consultant" specialist.
Basically be the grim reaper lah :). Make big bucks with self administered prescription only home suicide kits, mass produced and globally distributed.
Uniquely Singapore or not?
Walio,
You're the man!
I hope our staid court will do likewise and make it legal. I smell a business opportunity here to make a big killing out of legal killing.
I tell you what. Stop all this talk about your boss's failing practice and your desire to make big bucks. You be the front man, CEO, COO, whatever. I'll be your financier and we go 70/30. How's that? When you have what it takes, join me and my crowd and we can go to exclusive clubs for karaoke, spas for backrub and join me and my buddies on my cabin cruiser for a cruise now and then in the South China Sea. Forget about prescribing paracetamols and antihistamines. They bring in only the pennies. I can see it now. UB Bloke Inc., international euthanasia consultants, manufacturers of state of the art Instant Long Holiday Kits. We'll have our world HQ in Biopolis. We will be feted by the father of entrepreneurship in Singapore. We'll make it to the Fortune 500. Both of us will be in Forbes magazine and rubbing shoulders with the likes of Bill Gates, George Soros and Li Ka Shing!
Wow!
Sounds good to me. :)
Sorry, I'm watching a DVD of the "40 Year Old Virgin"
Freakin' hilarious I tell ya. I'll have to get back to the movie and after that, have my afternoon nap.
Okay, Bloke, draft me a proposal for our venture. Forget about the local market. It's too small anyway. Let's set up shop in Oregon first. Chainsaw producing country so no finese for our state of the art products. Get our products designed by you, made in China first.
OK. bloke?
Uncle Bladie, start your own blog le. Don't just sit there and eat sour grapes. It appears to me that you are asking Dr Oz to write his blog in your 'preferred' manner in order to gain credit points from you? I may be wrong but as a spectator here, it seems to be that way. Come on, Dr Oz's blog -he can write a million entries on NS issues and it's your choice to read it or not.Hurhur.
You dunno meh? The world revolves around people like Uglybaldie. The rich and powerful.
It's up to people like us to kowtow and serve them to get anywhere in life.
Like it or not, that's a fact of life.
Walio,
Agreed ma'am.
Come here more often to support him leh. ;)
He can't be talking to himself all the time isn't it? And I have other things to attend to. Can I pass the milk bottle to you?
Write a blog. Whatever for? As it is, I am already having enough fun to last a lifetime.
Really got to return to the movie and sleep. Maybe tonight, will go to the pub and move amongst the beautiful people. See ya there. Oops, I forgot you're in down under.Hee Hee.
OZ,
Good morning, mate.
Wow, what a night! Nearly got stopped by the cops. When I saw the squad car from a distance away blinking like a beacon, I stepped on my SLK's brakes, made a sharp turn to the left and left the scene of summons and demerit points at warp speed. Captain Kirk of Star Trek fame would have been proud of me! Anyone who says that Singapore is dull and sterile ought to have his head examined. At subsidised rate at the IMH via the Polyclinics.
OZ, can you stop portraying me as "rich and powerful" If I were really what you say, would I be wasting my time posting drivel on the web? I would have more interesting things to do, like taking up residence in Las Vegas. Truth, as they say is stranger than fiction. In addition to the retiree's pension, I supplement my income by combing the dirty lanes of Sungei Road every weekend for discarded family heirlooms and other antique knick knacks which I then sell to those on the net via Ebay. I am capitalising on this since these Ah Peks are not computer literate or even heard about the net. They also know the price of everything but the value of nothing! So, I am actually living from hand to mouth but realise that for every man on earth, time is limited so I do not stinge on the good things. Your description of me is elevating for my ego but the truth is more honourable OK?
Wow, I see you got a fan in Ms. Flatfeet. Why don't you shasay over to her site more often and coo sweet nothings huh? She ain't bad looking either.
Cheers! Burp.. Damn the hangover.
By the way, where is the evaluation report for our joint venture?
Uncle bladie,
whatcha you talking about man? I think Oz should honoured you as his number one fan. Where the hell can one find a man that would challenge your brain cells in such stimulating manner-> right, Oz?
Then again, thanks uncle bladie for those beauty tips. I need it very much. Guess Oz's blog will be our portal of communication ;)
By the way, Oz, I've linked u on my blog..check out the nick I got for u.
"Dr. Ozie OiOiOi,"
Hey, dearie, I like that. Shows you have alot of creative juice to think of a nick like that! Suits him to a T I must say. I don't know why doctors never let their hair down overtly. But covertly, who knows?
By the way, honey, my moniker is UglyBALDIE and not Uglybladie. You know, Baldie as in Botak? Just a small correction, to set the record straight;)
And here is a beauty regiment that me and the wife started when we were 40. Whilst our peers have galloped past in their looks, for us both, time has stood still at 40.
1. Apply a good brand of moisturizing cold cream to the face before going to bed. At that time, SKII pitera was not yet discovered. But now, it's pitera for us before bedtime.
2. Every fortnight have a five day course of Olay moisturizing mask before the pitera. 20 years ago, no Olay moisturizing mask, so we used my wife's concoction of cucumbers, aloa vera and some other secret ingredients. Nowadays, you people have it so conveniently.
3. Have plenty of exercise. For the wife, some line dancing in the club. For me, an hour of Chen Tai Chi every morning, come rain or shine.
4. Drink lots of water. Plain. Don't take too much spicy food or fatty food but if you have to, drink lots of chinese tea. We prefer the "Long Jin" green tea from Hangzhou in Zhejiang, China.
5. Have a full medical checkup every 6 months, including all the haemological, cardiology studies. X'rays etc. You gotta nip the disease in the bud, you get what I mean?
6. Have lots of sleep. It is the greatest rejuvenator. Better than food which actually just need to be basic but nutritious.
7. Above all, be eternally sanguine
and view everything with equanimity.If you can afford it, be angry and blow your top sometimes. Don't bottle up your emotions like some do. They just drag you down.
There you are, honey. In a nutshell, my secret for the elixir of youth!
Cheers and have a nice day.
Wondering where is OiOiOi. Have you seen him around your place?
Hey jv, good site.
That guy is cool. He uses some pretty rough language but that's how CSM talks anyway.
Makes my day reading his blog. And rolling away with laughter. My pomeranian wondering what his masta is doing holding his tummy and tumbling off his chair.
Just an example of how you can be critical and yet be funny about it instead of posting high falutin' hogwash about how bad everything here in Singapore is.
Tks for highlighting the site.
eh, u sure you want some PR's who are citizens of their own country , to learn how Singaporean military works?
If push comes to shove, do you want M'''''ian citizens to have a good knowledge of singapore military tactics, training etc?
Also, during war time, you expect PR's to fight for YOU? if malaysians holding singapore PR forced to choose a side, how?
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